| submitted on May 1, 2008 10:53 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
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| Comments: |
Mary, give me ALL the census card numbers of your ancestors and I will try to look them up for you. Do you have birth certificates
going back to your ancestors mentioned in your previous posts because you will need those for proof of your connection to
your ancestors. Also to look up a census record (not a census card) lets say 1900, I need a correct name and family members.
Also, it is pointless looking for people you have no connection to for citizenship. You have to be a direct descendant of
that person, meaning that person has to be your parent, grand or greatparent. |
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| submitted on April 30, 2008 9:28 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
hello norma.YES I WROTE AND CALLED. WHEN THEY RETURNED MY CALL FOR THE DEBIT CARD # THEY WERE SENDING ME THE ALLOTMENT JACKETS
AND CC. I ALREADY HAVE THOSE. ORDERED THEM ABOUT 4 YRS AGO.NO ENROLLMENT CENSUS. AND I WAS ALSO TOLD IF I WISH TO SEE THE
DIST. FIELD REPORTS I NEED TO GO TO MUSKOGEE AND LOOK ON MIC. FILM 623/T624. NORMA THATS WHY THIS IS ODD. THE LAST (12TH)
CENSUS I SAW JUDY, LOUISA AND SOME OF LOUISE`S CHILDREN ARE THERE |
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| submitted on April 30, 2008 5:07 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Mary, did you actually send off for the enrollment and allotment documents for all your ancestors that have a census card
number? The amount will be $30.00. And, it is true that most of the enrollment information for Creeks have been lost or destroyed
(only allotments). If there are no testimonies from your ancestors, you are out of luck. The same goes for all creeks.
My ancestor left his testimony (written document) stating who he was and his daughter so at least I know my bloodline, but
as far as citizenship, that's another issue.
Also, I checked the Loyal Creek list, but could not find your ancestors mentioned, only Judy Grayson, #1310. I did see a
Phoebe Grayson, #40 that Cathy asked about. |
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| submitted on April 30, 2008 2:18 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
hello, the names are louisa grayson(or maybe under louisa hutton) agnes(wolf-spence)hutton.james(jim/jimmie)haynes, delilah
haynes hutton,judy(judith)grayson.............i have talked with ft. worth and they are telling me that the allotment jackets
i ordered was all they had. that they had no enrollment or other records for the creek. if i can order them i have all the
roll and cc numbers....i think that my pc willnot handle the files on this site any help you give i am thankful |
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| submitted on April 30, 2008 1:20 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Cathy Sweeney |
| Email Address: |
cathysweeney@sbcglobal.net |
| Comments: |
Yes,I,m trying to help someone,they have the mothers name but can,t make it out.Plus I have her number too.I, just wanted
to find out faster. |
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| submitted on April 30, 2008 9:51 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Mary, what are the names of your ancestors that have loyal Creek claims? Copies of those claims can be ordered. Last year
I ordered a copy of Hager Marshall's claim, #24. To download, just click on loyal creek claims. |
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| submitted on April 29, 2008 9:29 PM EDT |
| Name: |
MARY WELLS CUNNINGHAM |
| Email Address: |
SSTEACHER65@YAHOO.COM |
| Comments: |
THE APRIL 24TH. ISSUE OF THE INDIAN JOURNAL NEWS PAPER HAS AN ARTICLE"SENATE APPROVES CABINET LEVEL POST TO ADDRESS NATIVE
AMERICAN ISSUES" WOULD IT BE PROPER/PROFITABLE TO REQUEST THAT THE FEEDMEN OF THE FIVE TRIBES, PRESENT THIER ISSUE. |
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| submitted on April 29, 2008 1:06 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
hello ron, marilyn or who ever. is it possible for you to post the steps of process for june 14th. maybe you can post the
appl. form you will use if its different from the appls. received from creek nation. |
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| submitted on April 29, 2008 1:00 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
can anyone help me? i have tried to down load the loyal creek claims . have been unable to do so. could it be the size of
the file? thanks |
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| submitted on April 28, 2008 10:58 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
| Email Address: |
eligrayson@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Cathy are you sure you have the correct roll number for P Grayson? |
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| submitted on April 28, 2008 9:41 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Cathy sweeney |
| Email Address: |
cathysweeney@sbcglobal.net |
| Comments: |
Can anyone tell me who Phoebe Grayson #2110 creek freedmen,mother,s name is? |
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| submitted on April 27, 2008 4:49 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Keshia |
| Email Address: |
keshia_a_h@msn.com |
| Comments: |
Ron,
I'm currently stationed in Germany, how can I apply for citizenship on the 14th of June from here? |
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| submitted on April 19, 2008 3:41 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Ron G, |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Norma...
Consider it done next time. Although the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes Association will host our 5th
Annual Conference, Saturday June 7th,2008 at the Langston University- Oklahoma City Campus. For more information go to www.freedmenconference.com...
Thank you
Ron... |
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| submitted on April 19, 2008 3:02 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Ron, could you post two weeks ahead for future meetings for people like myself that have to travel to Oklahoma. Thanks!!! |
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| submitted on April 19, 2008 2:23 PM EDT |
| Name: |
RON G, |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Hensci(hello) ALL...
Mark your calender for the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes Association GENEALOGY WORKSHOP, set for Saturday,
April 26th at Langston University-Oklahoma City Campus, from 11:00am to 3:00pm. The topic of this workshop is: A JOURNEY
THROUGH THE DAWES COMMISSION. It will focus on the practices, procedures, and
tactics the Dawes Commission used to enroll our ancestors. There will be plenty of displays & demonstrations on how the Dawes
Commission separated our ancestors by placing one sibling on the "by blood roll" and the other sibling on the freedmen roll,
and in most cases with the same mother and father. This workshop will be very informative. Folks, I hope to see you there.
For more information, or on registration fee contact Ron Graham at: rgramsr@yahoo.com or 918-756-5886; or Ms. Grayson at dof5ctac@yahoo.com... |
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| submitted on April 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT |
| Name: |
DelDuca |
| Email Address: |
delducja@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Ben, the 58 billion relates to trust mismanagement. Did your family have land held in trust? Here in Montana the mismanagement
was gargantuan having to do with minerals, timber, grazing, and farm leases. |
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| submitted on April 14, 2008 3:16 PM EDT |
| Name: |
ben |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
There is a report in the Daily Oklahoman that the Federal government owes the Indian tribes @ least 58 billions dating back
to the 19th century. Could this benefit us in some way? |
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| submitted on April 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT |
| Name: |
anjel clark |
| Email Address: |
anjelclark@gmail.com |
| Comments: |
great resource site. i love the narratives. just getting started digging around, but uncovering many good things.
feedback: site is a little hard to use, though. i used to be in web design, so if you need help finding a better webhost or
easy to use sitebuilder, let me know--I know all the best stuff. |
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| submitted on April 11, 2008 9:24 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
i come to this board at least once a day. think its wonderful. i am surprise to notice there are no more posting than there
are. i do not understand why. maybe not many people know about it. |
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| submitted on April 9, 2008 3:48 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
To read 1937 interviews do the following:
1. Click on Important Links above
2. Click on Grayson Family Genealogy
3. Click on All Messages
4. Click on Indian Pioneer Papers Collection
Let me know if this works. Thanks |
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| submitted on April 8, 2008 12:58 AM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
thank you norma. i can not get access to the interview. i was asking because my blood line is haynes. son of john and sinta
haynes. full blood.brother to mother of chief claude cox. trail closed. my ggg grand father was killed in 1902. got roll
number when his youngest son was enrolled as a nb by his mother after james death. |
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| submitted on April 7, 2008 3:22 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Mary, I mentioned Alex Haynes, colored from Okemah, OK, his father, William Haynes and his mother Cynthia Haynes and also
that William's mother Minnie Haynes, was part Creek, his mother, Cynthia Haynes, was one-quarter Creek while Cynthia Haynes'
grandmother, Betty Gray, was one-half blood Creek, to explain how mixed blood freedmen came about and how they were sold.
Read the interview!!! |
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| submitted on April 6, 2008 12:10 AM EDT |
| Name: |
MARY WELLS CUNNINGHAM |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
norma would you please tell me who alex haynes was. haynes is the blood line i am trying follow. thanks |
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| submitted on April 5, 2008 12:12 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Debra, you have to have ancestor on the by blood roll (parent, grandparent). Being on the freedmen roll you will be denied.
Creek freedmen were kicked out of the Creek nation, 1979. Surely others on this board will tell you so. |
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| submitted on April 4, 2008 6:14 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Debra Franklin |
| Email Address: |
cphmechanical@comcast.net |
| Comments: |
called for application for creekfreedmen and was denied. Person to whom i spoke said my ggfather was a slave and also my gfather
both of them are on the final rolls i their wives also have numbers some children are on the minor creekfreedmen. And doing
my research i think ive decoded the names of the slave oh!forgot they couldnt have names sally mclish listed as full creek
at the time had 13 slaves most of whom i believe are all my ancestors theres confusion on these two thing for me one the slave
indexes show sally mclish listed only two person as black the rest was listed as M to my understanding M meant half or full
blood Indian and i think my gfather at age 2yrs was listed as half Indian. the other another census has him listed as black.
And i havent mentioned his wife thats listed as creek. and more information that i have of the twelfthcensuswith their name
on it all living in indian territory and even moredocumentationlegal. thanks for hearing |
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| submitted on April 4, 2008 1:56 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Creek Freedmen, for the purpose of history, would you post Alex haynes' interview, #5884, from "Indian Pioneers Papers, under
"Our Stories/Testimonies." Thanks |
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| submitted on April 4, 2008 12:09 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Could someone explain how the Creek houses were made in the 1800's that could accmodate a horse. My mother told we that Cato
Davis (my grandmother's father) would ride his horse in the house. I figured he must have been drunk at the time. I'm not
too sure about this story. |
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| submitted on April 2, 2008 6:56 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
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| Comments: |
wow...what a list of congressional members.... |
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| submitted on April 2, 2008 1:53 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Tec Brown |
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| Comments: |
Make sure you read the letter from the CBC on the front page. Look at all those signatures! |
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| submitted on April 2, 2008 1:33 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Eli |
| Email Address: |
eligrayson@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Great reading on the 'Our History' page! Mvto! |
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| submitted on March 31, 2008 8:41 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Tec Brown |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Mr Layday, try starting with the genealogy page on this site. The Campbell's Creek Freedmen abstract is a great starting point.
On the front page of this site is a picture of Joe Grayson Hutton, your ancestor.
This is a large informative website, its going to take time to learn whats all here, so enjoy because this site was created
for Creek freedmen descendants. Welcome.
Tec Brown |
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| submitted on March 31, 2008 7:46 PM EDT |
| Name: |
CLEATUS LYDAY |
| Email Address: |
CMLYDAY040@AOL.COM |
| Comments: |
I AM A DECENDENT OF JULIA LOUISE HUTTON AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT MY
HERITAGE. |
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| submitted on March 31, 2008 5:38 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Ron |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Hensci Norma
I will get straight the point. Answer?1. The descendants of Muscogee (Creek) Freedmen that I have talked to over the many
years had ALL stated that in the 1979 election, they were not given an opportunity to vote. Some even had their voters cards
taken away from them. Also in discussing this with a lot of creek citizens "by blood & freedmen" some stated that they did
not fully understand what they were voting on. Nevertheless the freedmen did not get an oppotunity to vote...But...answer?2A.
Y E S...answer?2B. In 1979 the Muscogee (Creek) Nation reorganized its constitution and government under the Oklahoma Indian
Welfare Act of 1936,??which was under the authority of Congress??...but I believe Congress never intended for this to happen,
that the Descendants of Freedmen would be kicked/voted out of our respected Tribes/Nations...We are basically in the same
boat as our Cherokee Freedmen citizens...but believe me Mss Norma, myself and many others are diligently working hard on getting
all these problems answered or solved...Let's continue to work together and in prayer...MVTO...IICor5:7.always... |
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| submitted on March 31, 2008 3:25 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Ron G. since you are Vice President, could you check into the following and give the Creek freedmen descendants an answer?
1. Did the Creek freedmen actually vote at the time they were kicked out of the Creek nation? It is hard to imagine voting
oneself out of citizenship.
2. Did the Creek nation violate the rights of the freedmen by violating the 1866 Treaty when it reorganized? Was this reorganization
under the authority of Congress?
The Creek freedmen descendants are in the same boat as the Cherokee freedmen descendants except no one is checking to see
what actually happened back in 1979, I believe the year was.
We await your answer. Thanks!!! |
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| submitted on March 28, 2008 7:26 AM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
thank you. its done |
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| submitted on March 27, 2008 7:16 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hi Mary,
first copy or print the petition off the web site.
Second, copy the list of Congress members with their addresses and phones.
third, sign and send your petitions to as many congress members as possible. |
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| submitted on March 27, 2008 2:14 PM EDT |
| Name: |
mary wells cunningham |
| Email Address: |
ssteacher65@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
i read the article in ebony. very impressed.thanks to the persons presented in the article...i have attempted to respond to
the petion. have had no luck. please explain how to reply. |
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| submitted on March 26, 2008 3:50 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Tecumseh Brown |
| Email Address: |
creekfreedmen@gmail.com |
| Comments: |
Reminding you to continue to sign and send in your petitions, found on the front page. |
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| submitted on March 26, 2008 11:59 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Tecumseh Brown |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Grant you could send a comment via the Internet.
http://www.ebonyjet.com/
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| submitted on March 26, 2008 12:38 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Grant Perryman |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
What is Ebony Magazine's mailing address so we can all write letters to the editors commending them on bringing attention
to our problem. Perhaps we can all encourage them to do a follow up article. I am sure many celebrities read Ebony and we
need all the help we can get.
Mvto |
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| submitted on March 25, 2008 9:04 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Allen Miktchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Hello Readers, for those of you that have read the blood article in the most recent issue of Ebony has not posted your comments.
The article discussed some of the problems re:
the Freedmen saga. In attempt to right a wrong, your input is helpful as the responsible persons seek justice on your behalf.
So get involve and champaign your own cause. Just do not lay down and let this opportunity pass by as thing have in the pass.
I stand ready to read your comments. |
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| submitted on March 24, 2008 7:57 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Jim Del Duca |
| Email Address: |
delducja@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Welcome Ester! As a tribal Elder who lived through it, could you tell about what happened back in the '70's? |
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| submitted on March 23, 2008 2:40 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Esther Harlel~Grona |
| Email Address: |
Mvskokesenior72@aol.com |
| Comments: |
I have losts of Information to add! |
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| submitted on March 20, 2008 4:47 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Let it be known that although I am NOT a direct descendant of Mary Cunningham, I do have ancestors from my bloodline connected
(going back)to Jane Hutton, census card #444 (father Joe Hutton) through marriages, cc#1340 and #1341. |
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| submitted on March 19, 2008 5:08 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Ron |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Hensci everyone. On Tuesday, March 18th,2008, I attended the town hall meeting here in Okmulgee,OK given by Senator Tom Coburn.
I asked him a few questions about the Freedmen issue. He explained to everyone about the Treaty of 1866 that the five tribes
made with the United States, and that the treaties should be honored PERIOD.
He commented on how he had spoken to Chief Chad Smith,(Cherokee Nation),and stated that the Chief was wrong about the Freedmen
issue. He also stated that Congress should get involved & that the House Bills in Washington are premature,and that we should
let the courts handle it first. Overall Senator Coburn was very informative on all the issues people had asked and I was very
impressed with his understanding & knowledge about the Descendants of Freedmen issues. MVTO
Ron Graham.... VP-Descendants of Freedmen |
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| submitted on March 18, 2008 5:20 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
I am looking for relative of Sutam McGilbray, his son Quash McGilbray and Ned Thompson. Ned is the son of Quash and grandson
of Sutam. They resided in the Brush Hill and Henryetta areas.
Ned was the Supt. of livestock for the Creek Nation under Chief Checota and was a Creek Councilman from 1890 to 1895. He was
also the builder of the Creek Council House. His picture once hung in the main office of the Creek Nation, however, it was
removed for unknown reasons. Cousin Ned did a lot for his Nation because he was a loyal citizen.
My g-grandmother was Bettie McGilbray, aka Bettie Brown and Bettie Green. If anyone have knowledge of g-g Bettie, please e-mail
me. |
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| submitted on March 18, 2008 6:22 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Katherine Ceesay |
| Email Address: |
kceesayffusa@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
I have a channel on youtube and I talk publicly about the descendents of freedmens I am a creek and choctaw freedmen. I did
not know it was a difference until I called creek nation in Okmulgee to get my role nuber. Go to http://www.youtube.com/greenly100
at you tube and subscribe to my channel. If you send in your story to kceesayffusa@yahoo.com I will read your story on my
show. |
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| submitted on March 17, 2008 2:39 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hi Margarett, I'm glad you posted. I would like to see more posters come forth also after reading the contents of this website.
Have a great day!!! |
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| submitted on March 17, 2008 1:56 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Margarett Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Dear Mr. Brown, I feel the same. I live in Okmulgee and it is not a day that goes by that I don't see something on the Creek
nation and never in my days have I read anything about my people participation in history. It kind of makes me mad. I printed
some of testimonies and read them to my grand children after church yesterday. I want them to know so what happen to me won't
happen to them.
And to the poster Norma, I wish I could post more but I am reading and learning the website. I will one day know enough to
post to you.
Margarett Mitchell |
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| submitted on March 17, 2008 12:50 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Tecumseh Brown |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
I appreciate the information about the Creek Freedmen who served as House of Warriors and House of Kings members. So much
history. I can't for the life of me understand why some members of the Creek Nation are in complete denial of the truth about
Freedmen. What are they afraid of me? I just can't understand it.
Tecumseh Brown |
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| submitted on March 16, 2008 5:38 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Creek Freedmen, thanks for your answer. And, also, not too many posts though. |
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| submitted on March 16, 2008 5:26 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Norma, there are 600 hundred hits to this site that has been up less than three weeks. I have no answer for your question,
you have to call Muskogee county for that. |
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| submitted on March 16, 2008 5:15 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Well Creek Freedmen, I noticed there are not too many Creek freedmen descendants that are viewing this website. I wonder
why? Also, are you planning on answering my last question or do you have an answer. You puzzle me, you leave me hanging.
More feedback is needed. Thanks |
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| submitted on March 16, 2008 3:18 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Edgar H. |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Nice web site. I live in Tulsa and was told by a Creek friend from my job that the Muscogee Nation was voting on the us coming
back into the nation, I hope he was talking about our citizenship. Whats going on, do anybody know?
Edgar H. |
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| submitted on March 15, 2008 7:36 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Jim Del Duca |
| Email Address: |
delducja@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Creek Freedmen is totally right. Congress is the key to the recieving justice, with the Black Caucus, in turn, being the
key to Congress. Pester'em! The squeeky wheels get the grease.... |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 2:11 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Creek Freedmen. My mind is back in the day when. The street name has probably changed (not Main) there in Muskogee. The
street is where the bus station is now (Trailways I think). |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 1:12 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Anno. |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Just for comparison, check the link out. Smith's predecessor. He has been taken notes from Henry Ford.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intern_jew.htm |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 11:44 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
MuscogeeFirst, Chad Smith is a racist. He is refusing to understand the meaning of the 1866 treaty when it states ALL. He
is applying his own interpretation. |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 11:37 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Muskogee,OK. |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 11:25 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hello Norma, in what town is that located today? |
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| submitted on March 14, 2008 11:00 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
In the 1800's what area of the Muskogee nation would have been near 905 South Main. I am curious about this area because
I lived there when visiting my grandmother in the 1950's. I remember the fairgound. |
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| submitted on March 13, 2008 10:44 PM EDT |
| Name: |
MuscogeeFirst |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Today you Freedmen will not believe this, Chief Smith of the Cherokee Nation was at the Creek Nation telling us that you people
never were citizens. He talked for 15 minutes or so about the freedmen having no rights like in the Chickasaw Nation. I wanted
to vomit. Oh I wish I could tell my name but I work for the tribe. Good Luck because I support your rights. |
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| submitted on March 13, 2008 10:32 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Rentie, I hope that is not the case. But you never know. I am very happy that they finally had a meeting. Maybe we can move
on now to the larger issue, the hearings before Congress. I have Creek neighbors who used the IHS for their health care and
I really don't want to see them hurt, however they are supporters of the freedmen and know that we have to do what we have
to do. Asking Congress to limit funding to the MCN until they do what is right. |
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| submitted on March 13, 2008 9:21 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Rentie |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Does anybody esle suspect that Artman is riding the fence because he will be out of a job at the end of the year? What does
he have to gain in not doing nothing to help us? I think its a Indian job at the end of the fence. Wow |
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| submitted on March 13, 2008 12:03 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Jim Del Duca |
| Email Address: |
delducja@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Melvin, I'd say what they did was IGNORE the new law and reinforce the older racist laws. The American Indian Civil Rights
Act passed by Congress may just as well never have been written. It is exactly like what would have happened if the Civil
Rights Act of 1964 had not become law and been ENFORCED. Jim Crow laws and policy would still be in full force all over the
south. |
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| submitted on March 12, 2008 1:39 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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Rumor has it that there has been an amendment added to the Indian Health Services Bill that is similiar to the Indian Housing
Bill that the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma can not particpate because of what they have done to their Freedmen. I hope this
is true. |
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| submitted on March 12, 2008 12:26 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Melvin Smith |
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Jim thanks for explaining that. Im gonna google that case and read it. In your opinion do you believe that the Supreme Court
created new law instead of interpreting law? |
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| submitted on March 12, 2008 5:53 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Jim Del Duca |
| Email Address: |
delducja@hotmail.com |
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Greetings to all! I am writing to respond to Melvin's question regarding the role of Congress, and I hope I do the issue
justice. So Melvin, in general, Congress must be involved because the Supreme Court gutted the Indian Civil Rights Act of
1968 in deciding through Santa Clara Pueblo vs. Martinez in 1978 that recognized tribal governments can perpetrate any outrage
they want, however crooked and unconstitutional, upon their citizens. This is the case all over Indian country and it is
THE major obstacle to healthy tribal functioning today. Basically the court said that although tribes all get federal money
and all have non-traditional puppet governments created by Washington that depend on the BIA to approve their every move,
the feds won't do a thing to insure that the basic civil rights which protect other US citizens also apply to Indians. The
feds only act when vital political or commercial issues which serve their own interests are at stake. Crooked or greedy tribal
goverments usually don't rate action until white people are being negatively effected.
It is a horrible and destructive situation which will not change until congress acts to clear up the issue and protect all
Americans equally. The whole "tribal soverignty" excuse is simply a tactic to keep tribal people of all colors down and on
a leash and "the Man" in control.
The Freedmen have opened up a HUGE can of worms here with far reaching consequences for every tribal person in the USA. I
pray that you all will succeed where so many others have failed. The forces arrayed against you are powerful beyond belief,
but with the help of the Creator all things are possible. Jim
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| submitted on March 11, 2008 2:19 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
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Not use to a lot of recognition. I was speaking of other freedmen descendants. Besides my photo has already been circulated
and my ancestor is known. Thanks!!! |
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| submitted on March 11, 2008 1:38 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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Norma, you are right, more people need to come forward. On the 'our stories/testimonies' page, we asked people to send their
stories and photos. You will notice Mary Cunnigham has already done so. We would be happy to post your testimony and photo.
Send it to; info@freedmen5tribes.com
Can't wait to get it.
Creek Freedmen |
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| submitted on March 11, 2008 12:17 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Norma |
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Creek Freedmen and Marilyn, I would like to see more photos of other freedmen descendants that are involved in this fight
for justice. How many Creek or Cherokee freedmen descendants are there that you are aware of that have posted and have ancestors
on the Dawes roll? I just would like to see more faces (names) of freedmen descendants presented to the public whomever they
might be. |
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| submitted on March 11, 2008 1:14 AM EDT |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
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Hensci Melvin, I think the writer may have confused the year...there are historical documents where the Creek Principal Chief
complained to the Senate that they had no rights to grant US citizenship to members of the Creek nation both freedmen and
Indian, also there are testimonies of Creek freedmen stating that they rather be left alone as citizens of the Creek Nation,
this would have been around 1880. And everyone knows what 40 years later...Tulsa's genocide on Freedmen. |
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| submitted on March 10, 2008 2:22 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Melvin |
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I picked up Ebony this morning and read the article. Okay, can Eli Grayson explain what the writer meant. The 1919 stuff did
not make any sense. Help please.
Melvin |
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| submitted on March 10, 2008 1:57 PM EDT |
| Name: |
Melvin |
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| Comments: |
Mrs. Vann, you talked about the courts, what roll does congress play in getting our rights back?
Melvin |
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| submitted on March 9, 2008 3:31 PM EDT |
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Marilyn Vann |
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I want to address questions about what are descendnats organization plans to assist Creek freedmen .
First of all, we cannot say all on an open board but hear the following
1. There are no plans to return to Creek tribal court WE believe the verdict unjust; the fact the tribe even required us to
provide a court reporter for the trial (we paid more than 10,000 for court reporting) was unjust.
Federal Court - There are no immediate plans for federal litigation.,
The treaties which protect the Cherokee freedmen and the Creek freedmen are similar although not identical. I will not go
into it on this board why the CHerokee freedmen case was legally a better case to try first .
When the Cherokee freedmen case is won, it will set precedence for Creek freedmen case
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I also want to
adddress something else. Federal court cases require large sums of money. The Velie law firm took on the Seminole freedmen
case completely pro bono - Are you aware the case ran up more than 1/2 MILLION dollars in expenses and fees ?
THere are few grants for tribal rights litigation. Are you aware that Indian legal aide groups refuse to asist in disenrollment
issues?,
If we were to file a Creek freedmen federal lawsuit - say based on creek freedmen not voting in 1979, how many posters would
put up 20,000 of their own money to assist in getting it started?
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| submitted on March 8, 2008 10:15 PM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
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| Comments: |
Hello evryone, when you read the Ebony article, please post your comments. |
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| submitted on March 8, 2008 10:12 PM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Hello cyberspace, Have you read the April issue of Ebony? If not, hurry on down to the store and get one. Remember to direct
your attention to the atricle re:INDIAN BLOOD. The article is well written and provides an understanding some of the problems
that the Freedmen are classified as being discriminated against. The fire is no longer started it is now burning. PLEASE READ. |
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| submitted on March 8, 2008 5:50 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
Hello Norma, thank you for reading the testimonies. If I come across the particular ones you ask for I will for sure post
them. The testimonies gives light to events of that day. |
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| submitted on March 8, 2008 1:07 PM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
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Hello Creek Freedmen, are you planning to post more l879 testimonies under 'Our History," particularly names mentioned as
Loyal Creeks, as you did for Monday Marshall? I would like to see more testimonies for such names as Warrior Marshall, Davidsons,
etc. Great reading!!! Thanks |
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| submitted on March 8, 2008 12:32 PM EST |
| Name: |
Debra Carr |
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Hi everybody, this is my first post. I hope someone can help me. Recently my aunt died and I found records from the government
for money she applied for around 1963, however another letter says she was rejected because she was considered Creek freedmen.
Does anybody know what this could be about? Debra |
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| submitted on March 7, 2008 3:36 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
If you chose to fax your petitions to congress members, you can do so by clicking the Black caucus link and then click on
the Congressmember name and their personal site will contain their office fax information.
Please don't limit your petitions to Black congress members, others are eager to hear from you.
Creek Freedmen |
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| submitted on March 7, 2008 1:12 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
We need everyone to sign the petition to block the Fountainhead Property Land Transfer Act to grant the Creek Nation another
reward. The United States must stop rewarding these slave holding tribes for their ethnic cleansing against the Freedmen.
Stop Now! Sign the Petition. For members of the Congressional Black Caucus, the link below the petition link.
Creek Freedmen |
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| submitted on March 7, 2008 12:25 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
New 1879 testimonies added to the 'Our History' page. Incredible reading. Your fed back is most appreciated, thank you again.
Please email us your Creek family stories and we will gladly post them. Creek Freedmen |
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| submitted on March 6, 2008 1:17 PM EST |
| Name: |
Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
Joe Davis (Davidson), #702 and other family members are found on the Dunn Roll, Cooper Davis included. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 4:01 PM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
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Thanks Ron for answering me. You have made my day!!! |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 3:45 PM EST |
| Name: |
Ron |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
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Hensci Norma
I have just spoken to Mr. Johnson. He said that I could respond to your question. You're absolutely correct. Cato Davis roll#
3941,& Cooper Davis roll# 3931 creek freedmens were brothers. Joe Davis being their father.
Joe was a U.S. citizen,* although he was ""3/4 Muscogee(Creek)indian."" Mr.
Johnson's mother's name was Maggie Davis(Johnson). Maggie's parents were Cooper Davis & Ida May Graham(Grim) Davis. Mr. Johnson's
grandmother Ida Graham, & my,(Ron Graham), grandfather
Floyd Graham(Grim) were brother & sister, and were NOT Muscogee(Creek)
citizens...MVTO...Ron
*note:at that time you had to be either a U.S. citizen or a citizen of
a tribe/nation. You could not be both
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 3:40 PM EST |
| Name: |
Bruner |
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Thank you Mr Graham. I don't understand a tribe that claim to be Christian would lie. The bible teaches that a liar will not
inherit the Kingdom of God. The Creek Nation will never know peace until they repent before God and apologize to the freedmen.
Im reminded of my gran-papa who spoke so little English because his Creek was to strong. Every other word was Creek. When
he prayed to the Lord he prayed in Creek. Im a old man now. I can't leave this planet without knowing my children, grandchildren
and all my 29 great grandchildren are Creek citizens. Bruner |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 2:44 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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Norma, I don't know why you are so sensitive, my response to you was simply his mother may not have been relevent in the case.
If Mr. Johnson has a computor he will answer Im sure, however as the moderator and creator of the website I welcome everyone
here, including those with decenting views. We can all learn from each other, that is the key to justice for all of us. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 11:27 AM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
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Well Creek Freedmen, maybe it would have been better that you had not even tried to answer my question and let Mr. Johnson
answer instead. Thanks. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 11:09 AM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
Norma most likely it was that his mother's people were not Creek and the law suit was about his Creek ancestors. No other
reason, but Mr. Johnson really should be the one to answer your question. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 10:19 AM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
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From reading Fred Johnson's Trial Brief, page 7, under Our History, and my research, I noticed that Cato Davis and Cooper
Davis were l/2 brothers, but no mention of Fred's mother. Is there a reason why her name was left off. I am just curious as
always. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 2:15 AM EST |
| Name: |
Grant Perryman |
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Alabama Muscogee,
Everyone has a right to share their opinion but your apparent lack of knowledge is overwhelming. Your comments lack any
logic or reliable proof to back up your statements. Every time one speaks their thoughts their mind is on parade. You have
shown us your hateful irrational emotions. Hate is simply the fear of the unknown. You are scared of the truth and you hide
behind your fears.
Please do not be afraid. We are not here to hurt you. We are here because we have the right to be here. The Creator gave
us the Breath of Life and the right to live as our ancestors taught us.
I won't even bother to quote the historical documents that give credence to the fact that African Americans were indeed full
citizens of the Mvskoke Nation with all rights and privileges. I won't point out the records that prove that African Mvskoke
helped build the wealth of the Mvskoke Nation. Yes, African slaves made the Mvskoke Nation what it is today.
It is a fact that you did not even take the time to read the wealth of information contain in this site or the hundreds of
other sites. So many documents that counter your claims. A closed heart is a prison and only you have the key to unlock
knowledge to free yourself. The real question is do you want the truth or would you rather believe in a lie.
It is better to appear a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. |
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| submitted on March 5, 2008 1:21 AM EST |
| Name: |
Grant Perryman |
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Hensci Deborah and Elder Billy,
It is good to hear from enrolled Mvskoke citizens regarding the shame that has darkened our great Nation. I said 'our" because
I am Mvskoke even though my African blood has threatened some in power and have made it impossible for me to apply for citizenship.
My ancestors were Mvskoke citizens. They were African and Native and one.
I am grateful to you both that you will spread the news among the enrolled citizens. It is past time we hear from our brothers
and sisters.
In times past the Mvskoke Confederacy was the dominant power in the southeast. Our strength came from the wisdom of our elders
who increased our numbers by adoption. Our diversity gave us the edge politically, culturally and economically. What one
lacked the other made up and vise versa. Today the Mvskoke Nation is last of the Five Nations in economic strength. Why?
According to our traditions our elders told stories to pass on ancestral knowledge of life from one generation to the next.
Our morals and values were revealed by the wonderful tales about animals, plants and people. The Mvskoke Nene is about maintaining
balance and harmony in this world. This was our way!
In 1979 brother threw out their brother. A disgrace and shame. Our Nation cannot regain her rightful place in history until
the restoration of citizenship is rightfully restored to all Dawes enrollees and their descendants. I am hopeful that the
Mvskoke Nation will be the first of the Five to honor it's elders, follow it's traditions and keep their word by restoring
citizenship that should have never been taken away.
Our leaders today need to revisit Mvskoke traditions and honor the wisdom of our elders. In the sacred center of every tvlwv
a fire burned that represented the people. We were people of one fire. It's time for the Mvskoke Nation to shine bright
and powerful as before.
Mvto |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 8:29 PM EST |
| Name: |
Ron Graham |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Hensci(Hello) Bruner of Bristow
I am the VP of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes Assc. Most of my ancestors were Muscogee (Creek)
citizens on the freedmen roll. And to answer your question, the Freedmen Roll IS ABSOLUTELY,POSITIVELY, WITHOUT A SHADOW OF
A DOUBT, PART of the DAWES ROLL...PERIOD...That statement that you was told by the Creek citizenship person was TOTALLY FALSE.
Feel free to contact me at anytime. MVTO. Ron |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 7:53 PM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Hi David Mitchell, please e-mail your address, so we can talk. My people came from Cathey, Checotah, Boley, Bristow, Brush
Hill and Grayson Oklahoma. Also, the Mitchell's came from Missouri, Grayson county in Texas and New Orleans,La. Orginally
they all came from Alabama and Georiga. Love hearing from you. |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 3:36 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
Alabama Muscogee, may God forgive you for your ignorance. I will not judge you. But be on notice that the rest of America
is hearing the truth and having sympathy for our cause. Our leaders in Washington are expressing their conserns and I hope
you open your eyes before its to late. Come back to God's grace. |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 1:55 PM EST |
| Name: |
Alabama Muscogee |
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| Comments: |
This site is a big lie. Negroes have no claim to be Creek. Leave us alone, you don't see real Indians trying to be black.
So what if you were slaves. That don't make you anything but freedmen. who cares anyway |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 1:48 PM EST |
| Name: |
Bruner |
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| Comments: |
Goodness, so much to read.
I was told I could not get a application for citizenship unless I have a ancestor on the Dawes rolls. I was told by the Creek
citizenship person the freedmen roll was not the Dawes rolls. Does anybody know if this is true or not? I want what is rightfully
mine. Bruner of Bristow |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 1:42 PM EST |
| Name: |
Alice B. |
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| Comments: |
Can someone tell me about Joe Yargee? He was a Indian slave trader or what I was told.
Alice |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 1:22 PM EST |
| Name: |
David Mitchell |
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Hey everyone, My name is David Mitchell, my sister sent me the link, I live in Chicago. Allen Mitchell who are your Creek
Freedmen people? On the genealogy page, the Campbell abstract is really dope man. It kind of shows how we are all related.
Thank you Mrs Vann for putting this site together.
All of my relatives are from Oklahoma, Beggs Morris, Boley, Tulsa and Jenks. I have got to call everyboby about this.
I have question, how do I contact the archives for my ancentors jackets(?) or whatever they're call. My sister was talking
about that. |
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