| submitted on March 4, 2008 10:42 AM EST |
| Name: |
Cathy Perryman |
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| Comments: |
Grant, my husband is a Perryman. I am a Williams. My people are the Williams on the Creek freedmen roll. I heard his family
talk about Moses Perryman. I will call his grandmother to find out. |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 2:05 AM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Hello readers,
In May of 1977, I journed to the Creek nation in an effort to obtain documents re: my family's citizenship. I was told by
a Creek Nation staff person that 86 Creek Elders met two weeks prior to arrival and they voted to recind the citizenship of
all persons listed on the 1906 Freedmen roll. Also, I later found out that the Freedmen citizen were not allowed to vote on
their own faith. Shame on you Creek Nation for your ungodly acts against a people and their rights to be a citizen of the
Creek Nation. These people were once slaves. God will never forget what you perpretrated against his people. Remember the
action that you took against the Freedmen is answerable to God only and all guilty persons will pay. |
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| submitted on March 4, 2008 1:12 AM EST |
| Name: |
Grant Perryman |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hensci Cathy,
My surname is also Perryman. What is your line? My grandfather is George L. Perryman I and he is listed on the Freedmen
Census Card # 932. His father was William Nicholas Perryman Freedmen and his father was Hector Perryman who died before allotment.
Moses Perryman was the slave owner and possibly the father of Hector's father; York. Moses was quite known for having many
slaves and have many children with the female slaves.
Mvto |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 7:25 PM EST |
| Name: |
Cathy Perryman |
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| Comments: |
Hello Deborah, I am in a opposite situration. My husband and children are enrolled in the Creek Nation. Im not because they
told me my people are Freedmen. You think you are mad. |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 2:24 PM EST |
| Name: |
Deborah K. |
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| Comments: |
That was my father Billy H., he is talking about my kids. My first husband is black and we just found out his people were
Creek freedmen. All this time we knew he was from the Beggs area but didn't think he had Creek connections. All along he was
Creek, just Creek freedmen but still Creek. This made me mad as hell to know my kid's grandparents are treated this way. I
am a proud Creek but am ashame of my tribe right now. I have started asking my kin if they were part of that election in the
1970s and no one remembers if the freedmen were even there. I gonna look at this site everyday to help. I am scared for my
kids because they are black Creeks. I consider myself traditional and my kids attend the grounds. What if I am told they can't
come anymore. This ain't right.
Deborah |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 12:33 PM EST |
| Name: |
Patsey Wilson |
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| Comments: |
Hello Creek freedmen, cudos to the creater of this website. I spent all weekend reading and reading. The court cases of Harjo
vs. Kleppe and Harjo vs. Andrus seem to be the key of why we are not able to enroll. It was a fight over the old system and
somebody wanting a new way. The freedmen were left out completely. No where did I find anything about the freedmen or their
rights per the treaty. Have anybody esle read those cases?
Tulsa in the house! |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 12:02 PM EST |
| Name: |
Ellen Hutton |
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| Comments: |
Oh my god, love the Creek Freedmen, I am in Dallas and will give this to all the Huttons. the history part is what I needed
the most.
To all my cuzs, lets get busy! |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 11:36 AM EST |
| Name: |
Billy H. |
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| Comments: |
Im glad to see this freedmen website.
The tribe was wrong for what they did to you. Im enrolled in the tribe. I have grandchildren who are part black and would
hate it if somebody treated them badly because of their skin color.
I was told you freedmen were not este cate and just took our land. I never realized that my own people held some of your people
as slaves. They lied to me and you. I hope the freedmen don't think we all are racist because Im Christian and fear God. My
daughter sent me this link and I will give it to my church. I was told that we still had freedmen because of the black people
who are enrolled in the tribe now. I thank you for helping me to know there is a difference. Sorry my english writing is not
good.
Billy, 15/16 Creek |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 2:43 AM EST |
| Name: |
Janice |
| Email Address: |
janicerenay@msn.com |
| Comments: |
My heart goes out to you all. I am also ousted by my own people. Though I have white skin, I am Cherokee. My mother was full-blood
Cherokee and my father was 3/4 Cherokee and they also had white skin. But the Cherokee Nation says we do not exsist because
we do not have an ancestor on their "rolls". My ancestor was left behind during the march as they passed through Missouri
and her first name was lost through the years. All that is remembered is her last name was Sawney but that is not enough for
them. Anyway, we are a part of the Lost Cherokee Of Missouri and Arkansas. My husband is one of our Tribal Headmen. I am an
email freind of Marilyn Vann with the Cherokee Freedmen. I will be praying for you as well.
Do Na Da Go Hv I |
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| submitted on March 3, 2008 12:50 AM EST |
| Name: |
George Windes |
| Email Address: |
windes5@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Though I previously posted, I returned today to read the various messages. It is encouraging to
see the interest in this website & the issues that have perpetuated its creation.
I approach all things Muscogee Creek via the
family history route. I am a genealogist. If you
are of Creek Nation heritage needing to bridge
the connection to your Creek progenitors (both
by blood & Freedmen), please contact me & I'll
attempt to assist you. See my card at the Creek
Freedmen Genealogy link on the homepage of
this website.
"It is good to remember those of long ago, our
sacrificing ancestors who have become dust"
Mary Ann Wells
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| submitted on March 2, 2008 11:44 PM EST |
| Name: |
Melvin |
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| Comments: |
Eli, I don't understand what you are saying. You don't have a right to vote us back in the tribe? |
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| submitted on March 2, 2008 11:43 PM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Thanks to The Creek Freedmen in providing the our history link. Upon reveiwing the Loyal Creek Roll, I found my G-3 Grandfather,
Sutam McGilbray. Again thanks for your web page. |
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| submitted on March 2, 2008 7:06 PM EST |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
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| Comments: |
I believe there maybe an amendment, its been awhile since I've seen it... it included a number of older tribal rolls including
the Creek Freedmen roll.
I have my own opinion on the subject. I personally don't believe this is something which we could vote on. This issue was
settled in the treaty of 1866. I don't believe I have a right to change a treaty by a vote. Only Congress and the President
have that authority. I hope that congress stays involved because they are the final authority anyway.
Oh and yes my father's paternal grandmother was Menerva Grayson. She was the daughter of Robert Grayson and Racheal Grayson. |
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| submitted on March 2, 2008 2:42 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Brother Grayson last year it was reported to me that there was an amendment or something similar to let Creek Freedmen back
in the tribe. Do you know if that is true. And if it is, what are the chances of it passing?
Also, what are your feelings on the Creek Freedmen? I mean as a Creek citizen. I heard you even had a great grandmother on
the Creek Freedmen roll. |
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| submitted on March 1, 2008 11:12 PM EST |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
| Email Address: |
eligrayson@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
Creek Freedmen, the MCN constitution convention ended in a law suit brought on by the citizens of the tribe. The commissioners
that representive the districts were in actual Council members, which the Creek Supreme Court found to be in violation of
the constitution. So in short the whole thing had to start over again. New commissioners were selected yesterday and lets
hope we have an election soon. I will keep you informed. |
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| submitted on March 1, 2008 4:06 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hello brother Eli,
do you know of any actions taking place in the Creek Nation for the Creek Freedmen? At one time there was talk about a constitution
convention and there was talk of a change to allow the Freedmen back in the tribe. What happen? |
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| submitted on March 1, 2008 3:34 PM EST |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
| Email Address: |
eligrayson@hotmail.com |
| Comments: |
For researchers, the documents on this site are very good. For both freedmen and blood Creeks. You really have to be an idiot
not to have read these records and still say Creek freedmen were not a part of the Creek Nation's government. It is web sites
like these that are truely telling the stories. As we read in today's posted Oklahoma's newspapers, the reporters only report
a tenth of the truth.
Keep up the good work. |
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| submitted on March 1, 2008 3:01 PM EST |
| Name: |
Melvin |
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| Comments: |
Hi Norma,
this site has a link to the 'Loyal Creek claims' on the History page. On the list of people who were paid, there are many
people that are listed as 'free blacks'. These records maybe a better source for looking for 'free blacks'.
Keep me posted on your finds. BTW, what kind of research are you doing?
Melvin |
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| submitted on March 1, 2008 11:12 AM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hi Melvin, I mean free blacks that are listed as free on their census cards. Not all freedmen had slave owners mentioned on
their census cards. listed. |
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| submitted on February 29, 2008 8:14 PM EST |
| Name: |
Angela Y. Walton-Raji |
| Email Address: |
AngelaWa859@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Congratulations on the new website!! May the history of the Freedmen of all of the five slaveholding tribes be told. The histories
must be researched and the stories must be told!
Note that I shall update the Creek Freedmen Resource page(http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/resour.htm) on my website
to now include this page as well.
Again congratulations, and best wishes!!
Angela Walton-Raji
www.African-Nativeamerican.com
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| submitted on February 29, 2008 7:37 PM EST |
| Name: |
Melvin Smith |
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| Comments: |
Hi Norma, Im not sure what your question is asking. I believe all Creek freedmen were freed by 1866. So all Creek freedmen
on the 1882 census would be free. Do you mean 'free blacks' who had never been enslaved? |
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| submitted on February 29, 2008 4:49 PM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Are there any Creek freedmen descendants that have free ancestors listed on the 1882 Creek census? Just need this question
answered for further research. Thanks |
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| submitted on February 29, 2008 4:22 PM EST |
| Name: |
ben |
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| Comments: |
Eli
It is on the Afican - Native American website, under " House Votes to cut funding"
Very interesting!
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 9:43 PM EST |
| Name: |
Mary C. |
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| Comments: |
I just love the idea of June 14th call to action. Great idea. I never thought about how many years it had been, 142 years. |
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 7:16 PM EST |
| Name: |
Eli |
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| Comments: |
Ben what do you mean? |
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 4:10 PM EST |
| Name: |
ben |
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| Comments: |
The US House finally cut the funding to the Cherokees.
Change is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 4:00 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Its your constitutional right to protest. Boren has treaten to close his doors to freedmen if this protest take place. When
was his doors ever open. Our request for help was not back up with dollars so our message was blah blah blah to his office.
Well Mr Boren, its the black citizens of eastern Oklahoma that put your butt in office. You told Mrs Vann that you were our
friend, say what? You have made it clear that you think congress should stay out it. What? Congress create the problem in
the first place by requiring the tribes to put freedmen on segregated rolls. We are asking you to fix congress mistakes. I
look forward to the protest. |
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 3:13 PM EST |
| Name: |
Mary Davis |
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| Comments: |
You are right. Boren should be ashame. It took a lady from California to come out to Tulsa to take questions about the Freedmen.
He should be ashamed. I voted for him to. Never again. Is there another person running in his congressional seat. I would
even vote for a republican over him. It make me sick to say it. Are there any Creek Freedmen Davis family reading this board?
Mary Davis |
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| submitted on February 28, 2008 11:56 AM EST |
| Name: |
Melvin |
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| Comments: |
I will be at the protest. I understand it is about the Cherokee freedmen, however I am a Chickasaw freedmen, but I believe
it is about all of us. Dan Boren should be ashame of himself. Lately the news papers have said he is siding with the nations
on casinos against the interest of the state. The paper said that he got contributions from the casinos. I wonder how much
has he taken from the tribes to sell the freedmen off the reservation. I feel bad for even voting for him. he won't have my
vote next year.
Melvin |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 4:38 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
No, you read wrong. I look forward to your blogs, your ideas and anything you have to say. Please post. |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 4:36 PM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
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| Comments: |
Well Creek Freedmen, thanks for letting me know the board is a blog. If I am reading your tone correctly, I probably won't
be posting that often. |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 4:16 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Norma, this is message board is more like a blog. You can ask a question to anyone or to all. The information on this board
is to educate all. Im looking forward to what you post. |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 4:13 PM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
We have now taken our claim to Washington before members of the Congressional Black Caucus and other members of Congress who
will listen and understand our suffering. The plan is to get Congress to protect our rights. We have given up on members like
Boren who protects the tribes (follow the money) and we are now asking members who have no political interest in Oklahoma
to come to our rescue. |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 3:58 PM EST |
| Name: |
Norma |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Great website!!! But, I am curious as to how a thread is developed from questions asked compared to other message boards,
no subject line.
I am a direct descendant of Cato Davis (free), his parents Joe Davis and Hager Marshall. |
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| submitted on February 26, 2008 11:27 AM EST |
| Name: |
Bill G. |
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| Comments: |
What happen to the constitution convention that the Creek Nation was having last year? Did it happen? What was the results?
Someone said last year that there was a question on Freedmen citizenship. Bill |
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| submitted on February 25, 2008 7:00 PM EST |
| Name: |
Jason Roberts |
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| Comments: |
My question is for Mrs Vann, what is the Descendants doing for the Creek Freedmen? What is the plan? |
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| submitted on February 25, 2008 4:20 PM EST |
| Name: |
Bill G. |
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| Comments: |
Hello, good web site. My people are Grayson freedmen. My mother applied for the Creek payment in the 1960's and was denied
because we were freedmen. It was not right then and nots right today. I have cousins that work at the Creek Nation and I have
more Indian blood than they do. I know its not about blood but it makes me angry anyway. My cousin told me that most of those
people are mixed with other Indian tribes to give them the appearance of looking full blood Creek, but they are not. Please
if congress people can help, please help.
Bill |
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| submitted on February 25, 2008 2:00 AM EST |
| Name: |
Margaret |
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| Comments: |
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I have been reading this web site none stop for three days. Whoever developed this site thank you. For once I am proud to
be a Creek Freedmen descendant, so proud. The evidence is astounding. Margaret |
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| submitted on February 23, 2008 2:25 PM EST |
| Name: |
Ron Graham |
| Email Address: |
rgramsr@yahoo.com |
| Comments: |
Hensci All...After briefly looking at a portion of this website I truly enjoyed the information,& history that was given.
This is truly a blessn'. I am the VP of the Descendants of Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes Assoc., and one of the litigants
in the Muscogee(Creek)Nation citizenship case, along with my cousin Fred Johnson. As you know the ruling by the MCN Supreme
court,on November-2007,did
not rule in our favor,& basically without any explanation, was a hard pill to swallow. I really haven't stepped out to say
anything until know.
First of all I want to THANK everyone who supported us,(Descendantd of Freedmen),in this case and continue to support us.
There was several people testified on our,(Mr.Graham & Mr. Johnson),behalf at the judical court level,I would like to say
MVTO(THANK YOU)! And two people really come to mind are Prof. Daniel Littlefield & Grant Perryman, again I truly appreciate
all of your time & efforts.
It took some time for me to really digest the ruling by the MCN Supreme court. But it over and done with, so we must move
on, until we reach our mark,which is to restore our citizenship for all. And the way we do
this is to simple come together. We must unify ourselves through education
of:1.The Dawes Commission,2.The MCN Constitution,& 3.most importantly the TREATY OF 1866. So my motto is EDUCATE
DON'T SEPARATE... I will have meetings
on these subjects later in the year, and will gladly be informing you all on
this website. I am truly makin' an effort to meet with some of the members
of the MCN National Counsel again. So Mr.Allen Mitchell continue to encourage
Mrs. Sharon Rentie continue to give your efforts, concerns & time. And to all ex-Muscogee(Creek) Citizens it is time to regain
our citizenship...MVTO |
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| submitted on February 23, 2008 1:54 AM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Greeting to all readers and future supporters of the freedmen saga. It is in the air, can you feel it, time has come for all
freedmen to claimand and regain their citizenship.
This site will serve as a vehile to unite all of us once again with our orgin of citizenship. If you know of anyone who deserves
to regain their rights as citizens, then thak a few precious moments to advise them of this site. If we come together as one,
then there is no stoping us from regaining what is rightfully ours. our time and resources will be required to achieve our
goals. So jump in and get involved.
Allen Mitchell |
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| submitted on February 22, 2008 2:45 PM EST |
| Name: |
Sharon Rentie |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
I have a question for the Freedmen association. What are the efforts being made to fight the Creek Nation? Is there a similiar
effort to the Cherokee freedmen? What can I do to help to everyone? Sharon |
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| submitted on February 22, 2008 12:35 PM EST |
| Name: |
George WIndes |
| Email Address: |
windes5@aol.com |
| Comments: |
My very best in the launching of a great new website.
It can be a major keystone in bringing justice to the Creek Freedmen. I will follow its progress with great interest. Public
support will be paramount to its success and you certainly have mine. |
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| submitted on February 22, 2008 3:38 AM EST |
| Name: |
Allen Mitchell |
| Email Address: |
amitch1736@aol.com |
| Comments: |
Cudos to readers of this web site. The purpose of the site offers a prespective of informing interested persons of the history
and plight of the creek freedmen. There is a wealth of knowledge contained herein to acquaint the world with the struggle
of the freedmen.
My family(the McGilbrays) were made citizens of the creek nation according to the 1866 treaty and the 1867 constitution but
were later voted out of the creek nation in 1979. I am seeking to regain citizenship for all freedmen who were victims of
this injustice. With the help of all of you we will succeed.
Mvto,
Allen Mitchell |
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| submitted on February 22, 2008 1:50 AM EST |
| Name: |
Grant Perryman |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
Hensci, stonko omvlkeyat?
Grant Perryman cvhocefkvtos. Sehonecke! My hope for this board is that it will help unify our community. My wish is that
we leave behind our differences and focus on our common ground as descendants of Mvskoke Citizens and work together to regain
our rightful place in the Mvskoke Creek Nation as defined by the Treaty of 1866. We are legal citizens illegally removed
and we must fight for our rights!
I am a direct descendant of Cow Tom; an appointed chief by Chief Sands after the Civil War. I am descendant of John Jefferson
(full brother of Silas Jefferson a Tvskigi of the ). And I am a descendant of the Perrymans.
Nettv heren ocvs.
Mvto
Hensci Sharon,
The only person that comes to mind is a Cherokee leader by that name. Here is a link for you to look at.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie
Cehecares |
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 10:46 PM EST |
| Name: |
Sharon Rentie |
| Email Address: |
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| Web site URL: |
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| Comments: |
Does anyone know who a man named Stan Watie or Whitie was? My greatgrandmoma talked about him. Was he a Creek slave master?
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 4:46 PM EST |
| Name: |
Eli Grayson |
| Email Address: |
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| Web site URL: |
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| Comments: |
Good to see a new site up about the Freedmen and Creek Nation history. My ancestors found on both the Creek by blood and Freedmen
roll. Happy to see a effort to merge all Creek history.
Eli |
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 2:43 PM EST |
| Name: |
ben young |
| Email Address: |
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| Comments: |
This is a great site, I'm a descendent of Robin and Eliza Grayson, and that is great pic of Uncle Joe and family, I love it.
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 2:12 PM EST |
| Name: |
Betty Ann |
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| Comments: |
I was just given this site by my cousin. I am so happy see the Creek Freedmen with their own web. Is there anything happening
for Creek Freedmen like for the Cherokee Freedmen? What can we do to help? I am a great great grand daughter of Racheal Grayson. |
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 1:40 PM EST |
| Name: |
esthergrona |
| Email Address: |
Mvskokesenior72@aol.com |
| Web site URL: |
aol |
| Comments: |
Great website!!I am Creek Catawba,Cherokee and Freedman,,my ggrandmother is Mary jane Davis Barney ChildersI have information
on all families. |
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 3:05 AM EST |
| Name: |
Joe Perrymen |
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| Comments: |
Thanks cousin Rentie for sending this to me. I have save it in my favorates. I have a lot of genealogy questions to post.
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| submitted on February 21, 2008 2:43 AM EST |
| Name: |
Creek Freedmen |
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| Comments: |
Thanks for everyone's efforts in getting this site up. |
| How did you hear about this site? |
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